009 – It’s Just A Model – Performative

It’s Just a Model is a biweekly conversation with Ron and Peet on the interstitium between innovation, tech, design and our human behaviour.

Your hosts are Ron Kersic, and Peet Sneekes.

In this podcast we’ll be talking about the good, the bad and the interesting, all wrapped into a informal, unscripted conversation.

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It’s Just A Model – 009 – Performative

Time codes

  • 00:00 — Intro
  • 02:00 — The conditions of Making
  • 11:47 — A tinfoil theory of the open office
  • 17:25 — The Gold Standard of Working
  • 20:30 — “Users”, “Citizens”, …
  • 28:28 — “Undo” in Making
  • 30:35 — Of Peace, War, and Wonder
  • 41:45 — The Innovators’ AI(?)
  • 50:20 — Selling certainty (where there’s none)
  • 54: 40 — Designing for the Messy Whole
  • 1:01:50 — Wrapping up

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