It’s Just a Model is the podcast on the interstitium of ethics, design, business, politics and tech.

Your hosts Ron Kersic, the humanistic architect of the future and the dorsal stream of tech and Peet Sneekes, creative strategist and hypothetical system thinker.

In this podcast we’ll be furiously interrogating the topics we select with the intent to peal away the veneer and focus on the essence.

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